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		<title>By: I Have a Huge Problem with WYSIWYG Editors - Monday By Noon</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-3739</link>
		<dc:creator>I Have a Huge Problem with WYSIWYG Editors - Monday By Noon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] close eye on the direct effect any change will have on the design. I&#8217;ve written before on the general abuse of content management systems by clients. I&#8217;ve even brought up the trouble with WYSIWYG in CMSs. While both pieces shine a harsh light [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] close eye on the direct effect any change will have on the design. I&#8217;ve written before on the general abuse of content management systems by clients. I&#8217;ve even brought up the trouble with WYSIWYG in CMSs. While both pieces shine a harsh light [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clients and Content Management Systems - Monday By Noon</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-2656</link>
		<dc:creator>Clients and Content Management Systems - Monday By Noon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] time readers know that I&#8217;ve written on this subject before, but over the past few months, some new and interesting issues have cropped up alongside those [...]</description>
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		<title>By: چیزی که می‌بینید، همان چیزی است که می‌خواهید؟ &#171; Martians</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>چیزی که می‌بینید، همان چیزی است که می‌خواهید؟ &#171; Martians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher در این پست، عقیده دارد استفاده از ویرایش‌گرهای دیداری، [...]</description>
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		<title>By: مریخ &#187; بایگانی وبلاگ &#187; چیزی که می‌بینید، همان چیزی است که می‌خواهید؟</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>مریخ &#187; بایگانی وبلاگ &#187; چیزی که می‌بینید، همان چیزی است که می‌خواهید؟</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher در این پست، عقیده دارد استفاده از ویرایش‌گرهای دیداری، [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Brett</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-1416</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, this is the first I&#039;ve heard of WYSIWYM and I absolutely love it!

Since I joined the Graphics.net team, I&#039;ve seen some stellar sites go down the drain with days of handing them off to the client.  To the point where I would be embarrassed to see them in our portfolio.  Most of the problems we&#039;ve been having are outlined above, in your article or other comments.  Pasting from Word is a big one as all sorts of nastiness tags along with the copy.

I&#039;ve been meaning to look into customizing the default WordPress WYSIWYG editor for some time now.  Mostly to add elements like headings, but I see WYSIWYM has them out of the box.  Very nice.  Now to see what&#039;s involved in integrating it with WordPress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, this is the first I&#8217;ve heard of WYSIWYM and I absolutely love it!</p>
<p>Since I joined the Graphics.net team, I&#8217;ve seen some stellar sites go down the drain with days of handing them off to the client.  To the point where I would be embarrassed to see them in our portfolio.  Most of the problems we&#8217;ve been having are outlined above, in your article or other comments.  Pasting from Word is a big one as all sorts of nastiness tags along with the copy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to look into customizing the default WordPress WYSIWYG editor for some time now.  Mostly to add elements like headings, but I see WYSIWYM has them out of the box.  Very nice.  Now to see what&#8217;s involved in integrating it with WordPress.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sensei: Indeed, I do try to limit the extent to which a client can modify content that will appear on the front end. Copying and pasting with Word is one of those things that seems to be a never-ending battle with our current CMS -- we&#039;re constantly trying to refine our cleaning algorithm to take care of everything, but even when invalid markup is stripped, the copy still looks awful.

@Carlos Eduardo: Indeed, it will be a good project to keep an eye on.

@beth: I can absolutely agree -- is it something that should be accepted as &#039;the way it is&#039;?  Or do you feel a more aggressive approach should be taken on the part of the developer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sensei: Indeed, I do try to limit the extent to which a client can modify content that will appear on the front end. Copying and pasting with Word is one of those things that seems to be a never-ending battle with our current CMS &#8212; we&#8217;re constantly trying to refine our cleaning algorithm to take care of everything, but even when invalid markup is stripped, the copy still looks awful.</p>
<p>@Carlos Eduardo: Indeed, it will be a good project to keep an eye on.</p>
<p>@beth: I can absolutely agree &#8212; is it something that should be accepted as &#8216;the way it is&#8217;?  Or do you feel a more aggressive approach should be taken on the part of the developer?</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, it doesn&#039;t seem to matter how simple and elegant of a CMS you give the client, the content will always suffer once you hand over the reigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, it doesn&#8217;t seem to matter how simple and elegant of a CMS you give the client, the content will always suffer once you hand over the reigns.</p>
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		<title>By: crawlspace&#124;media &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Daily Links 2007-08-14</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>crawlspace&#124;media &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Daily Links 2007-08-14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carlos Eduardo</title>
		<link>http://mondaybynoon.com/2007/08/13/how-to-retain-site-quality-after-delivery/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think WYSIWYM can be the best choice for it.

I&#039;ll try WYMeditor to know more about it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think WYSIWYM can be the best choice for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try WYMeditor to know more about it :)</p>
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		<title>By: sensei</title>
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		<dc:creator>sensei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regard working with wysiwyg editors as a necessary evil, but with extensive customization of the editor, something resebling compliant xhtml can be attained. The key is to keep the available options for the end user at a minimum, and if possible, enable stripping of superfluous tags.

I like to limit tag usage to strong, links, a couple of header elements and ul&#039;s. Let CSS take care of the styling (as God intended). If the user is likely to need tables, you can enable them as well.

Images get a class assigned (I like to make a left, right and centered option for my users), and you&#039;re done.

It&#039;s all about limiting the users options to what he/she actually needs.

If all else fails, &quot;wash&quot; the code serverside.

I&#039;ve also noticed that end users love to paste copy from word, retaining font tags, bold, italics and other such ugliness. There is usually a &quot;paste from word&quot;-function, so remember to instruct your end users to, uhm, use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regard working with wysiwyg editors as a necessary evil, but with extensive customization of the editor, something resebling compliant xhtml can be attained. The key is to keep the available options for the end user at a minimum, and if possible, enable stripping of superfluous tags.</p>
<p>I like to limit tag usage to strong, links, a couple of header elements and ul&#8217;s. Let CSS take care of the styling (as God intended). If the user is likely to need tables, you can enable them as well.</p>
<p>Images get a class assigned (I like to make a left, right and centered option for my users), and you&#8217;re done.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about limiting the users options to what he/she actually needs.</p>
<p>If all else fails, &#8220;wash&#8221; the code serverside.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed that end users love to paste copy from word, retaining font tags, bold, italics and other such ugliness. There is usually a &#8220;paste from word&#8221;-function, so remember to instruct your end users to, uhm, use it.</p>
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